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Does PrimeDice use the "artificial intelligence " ?

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i was always wondering if primedice is an intelligent system based on a huge database, sometimes i think it simulates everysingle move i do, how is that ? by storing data and every single move you do in a huge data base and then gives " opposite moves " with the next seed  , and sometimes i think bets results are according to my stats, what i type in chat, the time i placed that bet...etc . 

everytime i change the client seed i doubt i am facing a very intelligent system which is hard to beat, but not impossible if you are smart enough to beat the artifial intelligence.

if this was so true, then you are playing against....yourself. and you must be a genius to win. 

this was only an opinion i doubt its wrong, but it can also be true, what do you guys think about it ? :)

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I also often think so, I think this is a system. when we use small bets, it's too easy for us to hit, but if we increase our bets, it's like it's hard to hit. I also don't know for sure. Most games are not about random opportunities, but can actually be calculated based on statistics. At some point, basic math calculations can give you an opportunity calculation to get certain numbers in the dice game

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9 minutes ago, sheenaz.bay said:

I also often think so, I think this is a system. when we use small bets, it's too easy for us to hit, but if we increase our bets, it's like it's hard to hit. I also don't know for sure. Most games are not about random opportunities, but can actually be calculated based on statistics. At some point, basic math calculations can give you an opportunity calculation to get certain numbers in the dice game

it can be this way also, but its way complicated, more than we all can imagine :)

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1 hour ago, Chikou1306 said:

appreciate your honesty :)

lol i am pretty sure he is just joking, its provably fair casino game

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The system is provably fair, so it does not matter what strategy you use, the bets can't be rigged (and if you think they are, then just verify them). With that being said, why would you gamble at a casino where you suspect that they can cheat or outsmart you?

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On 13/06/2019 at 08:54, Chikou1306 said:

i was always wondering if primedice is an intelligent system based on a huge database, sometimes i think it simulates everysingle move i do, how is that ? by storing data and every single move you do in a huge data base and then gives " opposite moves " with the next seed  , and sometimes i think bets results are according to my stats, what i type in chat, the time i placed that bet...etc . 

everytime i change the client seed i doubt i am facing a very intelligent system which is hard to beat, but not impossible if you are smart enough to beat the artifial intelligence.

if this was so true, then you are playing against....yourself. and you must be a genius to win. 

this was only an opinion i doubt its wrong, but it can also be true, what do you guys think about it ? :)

only one way to find out mate engage a vpn new account and start betting like a wild monkey :)

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I myself thought the same way in the first years of the game in PD and I also thought it depended on the players online and the seed numbers. And the very thing when it all broke up 🤣
After I realized that even a change of seed and I understood that seed cash everything would not be exactly changed, but after changing Sid, you can catch your luck ... But sooner or later, the new seed will come 😫

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11 hours ago, JstLikeMagyk said:

only one way to find out mate engage a vpn new account and start betting like a wild monkey :)

if the site uses AI then it will take few bets to figure out your way of betting, then it will be useless :)

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I've tried reading how the game runs on every bet we play based on the server seed.

then do a calculation to analyze which percent will come out after my bet is finished.

but that doesn't really help because actually all success is luck,
Why because even though we have changed the seed server many times it helps but doesn't help by betting.
in my opinion after doing various ways to win, in the settings you bet then the system will sort all bets that exist at that time,

then there will be a random system that chooses to win. and it was arranged in his election, even though he made a big profit. then there will be lots of big bets to beat and big bets to win so many small bets are defeated. the system is set to benefit new site owners to players.

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53 minutes ago, hui said:

How does that go together with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provably_fair ?

can you please explain how you get random numbers in an algorithm based on commandes ? :) every number you get comes from a data set, which is programmed by a programmer, in real life there are many random things, but in the artificial world, every thing is programmed by someone which is not random :) gladly waiting for your replay

56 minutes ago, rembo2 said:

If there is an artificial intellect, then it can probably adapt to each player or your strategy and act according to your actions:D. Maybe I'm wrong.

that is what i am trying to say :) 

 

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20 hours ago, hubinator said:

Can we know how AI is used?

Does PD ever tries to find server seed for next user bet, so it will "red" ,if user will not change client seed?

Can I get answer for those two questions, or it's secret tech solution ? :)

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17 minutes ago, hubinator said:

Can I get answer for those two questions, or it's secret tech solution ? :)

The server seed is secret and the client seed is known. If you want to verify your bets you can unhash the server seed to get a new active server seed (hashed) and now use the older pair of obtain server seed and known client seed to verify bets on a third party websites. So you know that none of the bets you placed till now were rigged. This is how provably fair works.

Rest of the stuff posted in this thread is pretty much the delusional false assumptions of disgruntled gamblers.

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1 hour ago, UltraChief said:

Rest of the stuff posted in this thread is pretty much the delusional false assumptions of disgruntled gamblers.

i did not say false assumptions ultra, there was a question mark in the title, i was wondering if primedice uses AI, and how could that work if it was that way, in the last line i wrote this ( this was only an opinion i doubt its wrong...), i just opened this thread to discuss about how can AI work in a gambling site not for something else. :)

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3 hours ago, Chikou1306 said:

can you please explain how you get random numbers in an algorithm based on commandes ? :) every number you get comes from a data set, which is programmed by a programmer, in real life there are many random things, but in the artificial world, every thing is programmed by someone which is not random :) gladly waiting for your replay

that is what i am trying to say :) 

 

It's basically explained in the article i linked :)

As soon as you select a new client seed a new server seed is picked (and the old one revealed). From then on the client-seed and server-seed along with the nonce determine the results of all further rolls until the client seed (and thus the server seed, too) is changed.

It is not programmed in that sense but the cryptographic hashing algorithm makes sure that even a single bit changed in the input changes the output totally. I could elaborate on how SHA works, but I guess it wouldn't help much. Suffice to say that a) empirical testing and b) expert opinions in cryptography conclude that it's close enough to randomness.

So since the roll results are pre-determined (since the nonce always counts up by one) you can 

  1. prove that the rolls are not tampered with
  2. prove that they are independent of your betting strategy
  3. verifyable in both regards

I really suggest to read the  articles i linked, I think both are very interesting reads and replace suspicion with knowledge and perfectly match your topic. ;)

 

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25 minutes ago, hui said:

It's basically explained in the article i linked :)

As soon as you select a new client seed a new server seed is picked (and the old one revealed). From then on the client-seed and server-seed along with the nonce determine the results of all further rolls until the client seed (and thus the server seed, too) is changed.

It is not programmed in that sense but the cryptographic hashing algorithm makes sure that even a single bit changed in the input changes the output totally. I could elaborate on how SHA works, but I guess it wouldn't help much. Suffice to say that a) empirical testing and b) expert opinions in cryptography conclude that it's close enough to randomness.

So since the roll results are pre-determined (since the nonce always counts up by one) you can 

  1. prove that the rolls are not tampered with
  2. prove that they are independent of your betting strategy
  3. verifyable in both regards

I really suggest to read the  articles i linked, I think both are very interesting reads and replace suspicion with knowledge and perfectly match your topic. ;)

 

i really appreciate your answer, and i will gladly read what you linked, i will replay when i done reading , thank you one more time @hui

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1 minute ago, Chikou1306 said:

i really appreciate your answer, and i will gladly read what you linked, i will replay when i done reading , thank you one more time @hui

Have a good read, I hope you enjoy it and will find it as interesting as I did! ;)

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The simple answer is No, Hui was just trolling you, there is no AI implemented for bets rolls and such chances / seeds change according with your previous data just to beat you.

If that was a thing there would not be a Gambling Casino in the first place ;)

For anyone wanting to know more about Artificial Intelligence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

Off topic: You can ask me questions in pm if you want to know about development as i work with it since University ;) 

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