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Do you think primedice is truly fair?

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28 minutes ago, bboyNZ said:

I hope I dont get banned for this, but Im not 100% sure that Primedice, or actually any online casino is absolutely fair. 

Primedice has a trick up its sleeve, called Randomness. Even if something slightly suspicious is happening to your dice rolls, how are you going to prove it? Basically, you cant.

I have an odds calculator app, and time after time PD seem to pull of amazing sets of losing streaks that are just way too regular to be random IMO, but I cant prove it.

Im 100% certain that high value bets arent as likely to win as low value bets. But once again, I cant prove it.

Also, if you do a google search, regarding PD's founder, Edward, you will find some very interesting information about previous 'dice game' scams he was found guilty of in other online games before creating PD. Now I would like to stress at this point that I have nothing against Edward, and just because he has run Dice scams before, it doesnt necessarily mean he is doing the same thing here, I am simply pointing out a fact, verifiable by your own google investigation. 

Now here comes my tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorys about PD.. make fun of me if you like, it certainly wouldnt be the first time ive had my conspiracy theories laughed at...

What if, the 'Hufflepuff' story was exactly that... a story? Because although the legend says that PD was scammed for 100 bitcoins, the Hufflepuff story has done wonders for peoples perception of PD, and boosted it reputation a lot!

The story painted a picture of a scammer who almost crippled PD, but still PD honoured his withdrawls even when suspicion arose. The PD youtube chanel even glorifies Hufflepuff by showing video of him making 8btc bets and winning almost every time. And my unanswered question about the video is 'Who took the screen capture footage of it? and how did PD get possession of said footage?  If you dont know the story of Hufflepuff, I suggest you look it up.

I also suspect that some very successful highrollers that often pop up could infact be 'placed' in order to make winning look easy so other players might try the same techniques. Some names that spring to mind are the likes of Negan and Makaka. These guys tend to pop up, make winning seem so easy, they chat a lot (and get along very well with the admin), they happily flaunt their riches by dishing out tips to a select few and then suddenly disappear, never to return... 

With all these suspicions i have, I still enjoy the PD environment, and continue play and to make deposits even tho im almost -15btc poorer for my effort. PD is fun and social but I doubt its fair. 

Regardless if my suspicions are true or not, the creator has done an amazing job of marketing PD, and I admire that. Im sure PD has made him a fortune, and I have no problem with that if the site actually is 'fair', in which case I apologize for my accusations of foul play, they are simply my suspicions and nothing more.

TL:DR xD Nobody cares... I just saw the words Hufflepuff , corruption fair ....

It's Fair as Probabilistics!

You can check that up on google.

There are plenty Primedice verifiers you can check your rolls. They are pre determined and not changed...

Edited by DreamStage

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40 minutes ago, Dan said:

Provably fair. Look it up, its a real thing.

I know what provably fair is Dan, I also know it has its flaws... like how an error is the computation of seed hashes can force a 0.00 number..

Are you guys aware of the scandal that outed 99dice.com as a scam?

I feel PD's system is similar yet more convncingly deceptive.

The fact that you need to click the Fairness  tab in order to see the server and client seed gives the site a chance to change the server seed.

Try this.. set an autobet running. Click Fairness and you will see both the client and server seed, But notice that the roll count doesnt change even though rolls are being made on autobet at the same time.

In order to update the roll count, you must close and then reopen the fairness tab again... dodgy!

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26 minutes ago, bboyNZ said:

I know what provably fair is Dan, I also know it has its flaws... like how an error is the computation of seed hashes can force a 0.00 number..

If it was a genuine issue, there would be work involved with creating a better solution to the problem.

I do enjoy the conspiracy concepts, and its certainly something that's plausible, but I personally feel to pull off a marketing strategy like hufflepuff, would be giving Primedice too much credit. When your core marketing strategy is through giveaways and faucet's (which mainly targets low EV players), its hard to justify the kind of genius that is involved with concocting such a brilliant marketing ploy such as that particular incident.

Don't get me wrong, I love and encourage this kind of thought, and I would be lying if I haven't pondered the what if's myself over the years, but the more I get to know the Primedice community, the more I can value and notice the organic growth based around the player base, which to me is the primary reason for its success.

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2 minutes ago, Dan said:

If it was a genuine issue, there would be work involved with creating a better solution to the problem.

I do enjoy the conspiracy concepts, and its certainly something that's plausible, but I personally feel to pull off a marketing strategy like hufflepuff, would be giving Primedice too much credit. When your core marketing strategy is through giveaways and faucet's (which mainly targets low EV players), its hard to justify the kind of genius that is involved with concocting such a brilliant marketing ploy such as that particular incident.

Don't get me wrong, I love and encourage this kind of thought, and I would be lying if I haven't pondered the what if's myself over the years, but the more I get to know the Primedice community, the more I can value and notice the organic growth based around the player base, which to me is the primary reason for its success.

I agree, my Hufflepuff conspiracy would take a stroke of genius, and I would applaud the person who came up with it. So I think you are right about that.

 

But as far as not being able to see an accurate roll count, as well as server & client seeds while autobets are taking place allows for 'behind the scenes deception' IMO

 

I think a truely provably fair system would be to display  the information hidden behind the fairness tab on the mainpage, in real time as bets are taking place

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18 minutes ago, bboyNZ said:

I agree, my Hufflepuff conspiracy would take a stroke of genius, and I would applaud the person who came up with it. So I think you are right about that.

 

But as far as not being able to see an accurate roll count, as well as server & client seeds while autobets are taking place allows for 'behind the scenes deception' IMO

 

I think a truely provably fair system would be to display  the information hidden behind the fairness tab on the mainpage, in real time as bets are taking place

I would love to see a system like that, from my understanding is that if it ever existed, then the RNG would be decipherable. 

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1 minute ago, Dan said:

 

3 minutes ago, Dan said:

I would love to see a system like that, from my understanding is that if it ever existed, then the RNG would be decipherable. 

As far as Im aware, the client seed and server seed are already available to the player before rolling, and remain unchanged until the player choses to change seed.

As long as a player can count, you can figure out how many rolls have taken place, so displaying all this known info in real time on the main page shouldnt make it any more decipherable than it already is, but the fact that this info is hidden from view during the betting process is suspicious...

 

 

As far as Im aware, the client seed and server seed are already available to the player before rolling, and remain unchanged until the player choses to change seed.

As long as a player can count, you can figure out how many rolls have taken place, so displaying all this known info in real time on the main page shouldnt make it any more decipherable than it already is, but the fact that this info is hidden from view during the betting process is suspicious...

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14 minutes ago, bboyNZ said:

 

As far as Im aware, the client seed and server seed are already available to the player before rolling, and remain unchanged until the player choses to change seed.

As long as a player can count, you can figure out how many rolls have taken place, so displaying all this known info in real time on the main page shouldnt make it any more decipherable than it already is, but the fact that this info is hidden from view during the betting process is suspicious...

I get what you mean, I thought you wanted the unhashed server seed. I think this would be a good way to demonstrate better transparency. I will pass on the idea to the development team.

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10 minutes ago, Dan said:

I get what you mean, I thought you wanted the unhashed server seed. I think this would be a good way to demonstrate better transparency. I will pass on the idea to the development team.

no, obviously the unhashed server seed would give away too much. Im not even going to pretend to act like i know everything behind provably fair, but Im a part time magician (seriously lol), and I know that when something is out of view, covered or purposefully hidden, theres a reason for that...

I will eat my words and profusely apologize for ever doubting PDif the development team could implement my suggestion. Thanks for the conversation Dan, but now I better go back to work lol

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So far In my experience, PD has been fair. 

This page is a guide to verify that your bets are fair: https://primedice.com/verify 

I do have very painful and sometimes unbelievable losing streaks from time to time, and as stated by bboyNZ it does seem that high value have worse odds. 

But overall it does seem fair, I guess i just pay attention more to losing than winning.

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5 hours ago, MegaBetzZz said:

it is my favorite site, all the rest does not like this website just and will be fair because I am on the first day already love this casino

Yes, honestly its the design that i like most :D

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